Weygang’s [1] and Other Makers’ “Niche steins”; These Are Not ‘Guild’ Steins! (AWPD)

 

 

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PLEASE NOTE:

I DO NOT DO VALUE ($$$’s) APPRAISALS! There are way too many variables: condition, location, time of year, present trends in stein collecting, local (and now national) economics; but most of all = prior expectations by the owner, are among the reasons!

I have for over a year now placed these short “notifications” at the bottom of each page! It is now obvious to me the general public never gets that far before wanting to ask me a question on beer stein dollar values. So I have had to move them forward as I am getting tired of copying them and sending them back to people as an answer to their “stein value” questions. This was meant to be an informational web site only.

NOR WILL I KNOWINGLY DO ASSESSMENTS for the future selling of steins on auction sites such as eBay, etc. Go to the web site for “Stein Collector’s International” and click on “Stein Talk,” someone there might help you. I just do not have the time! My web site was really started as an informational site for beginning beer stein collectors that would be looking for the info and not the general public. This site has its own search engine [top right on each page!] SO if one puts in “Wood Steins” or “Hand painted steins,” it will give one a list of all the pages that has that subject matter within it.

STILL WISH TO CONTACT ME ABOUT ANY INFORMATION ON THIS SITE?  EMAIL:  STEVE (STEPHEN)  = thevirginian@cox.net

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The introduction to this subject is from a Ron Fox article in “Prosit” explaining the benefits of attending any given ‘Beer Stein College,’ and it was then later reproduced in “The Pewter Collectors and Researchers’  Newsletter” with his permission. Best read at a higher magnification!

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……………………………………..ABOVE: REAL GUILD STEINS  & CUPS ……………………………………

Called “Guild Steins” by SCI’ers and dealers, I believe these beer stein servers produced by the Family Weygang (and others) would be better called: “Pewter occupational servers” than “Guild steins”; which is a great mis-service to the real guild steins. A couple of which are shown in the photos just above. The stein “style” shown on the left in the second photo is probably the one the Weygang folks  decided to us as a model; check out the angel feet.

“Below one will find a reprint of Ron Fox’s Prosit article about the Weygang family. As it says, we all found out about this firm at the first” Beer Stein College” when Bob Alutin alerted all of us present to this book. Best read at a higher magnification! I thought  for those of you that missed this article, or for a refresher, I’d run it again and Ron agreed.”

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NOTE: Should you have one or several of these Non-Guild” steins that are not shown in the photos below, please send me a useable photo and I endeavor to publish it.   sls

There are only about twenty four, of various sizes and shapes, shown in the book above: “ZINN NACH ALTEM VORBILD” [ZNAV.]

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Above: A photo of a partial page in the book [ZNAV]. It shows how detailed the drawings of the items are.

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PIECES  BELOW ARE NOT IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER!

“KNIGHT WITH A SHIELD” –  The most common “Niche stein” produced by Weygang.

BELOW: There are any versions of basically the same server. They were also produced in different sizes. Weygang”, by adding different finials, feet, coats of arms, and body side decorations, produced many versions of basically the same stein.

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2 of the plainest, still nice to own.

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While most of these on this page are credited to being made by the Weygang family firm, Mr. Jerry Berg of the “Carolina Steiners” and a member of SCI, (and a super guy!) made a good point a few years back. If these types were popular “way back then,” would not some other pewter firms / pewter-smiths jump on the wagon and produce these types of “Niche” tankards too? The  two steins above I think well prove Jerry’s point. On the left, the face on the spout, and the dolphin feet are not usual Weygang traits. Neither is the way either shield is done, with the one on the lid is way too thick compared to others. On the right, while not a “niche” stein, the shield looks close, but the crimped lid edge is never seen on Weygang’s. The feet again are  different than seen; and also the way the Bohemian lion is portrayed with copper and plain mantling and the shield’s design is just too different.

Now to confuse the issue even more = most but (I think) not all Weygang occupational servers are found with this “rosette” on the bottom of the stein. Nobody, including me, knows if they keep the same rosette design over all the years they produced these wares. Something to do  when I have more time! Ha!!

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MORE KNIGHTS WITH SHIELD  BELOW:

[L] Comes with the Nuremberg Harpie as the bottom shield and another city’s arms on the lid! [R] Someone, later in it’s life, added this ball thumblift to the lid as a finial.

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Knight with sword in the niche, and with a standard bearer as a finial. A nice combo.

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Six shields on this one’s body!

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Above: One of the best version of the “Knight and shield” with reliefs of the wall towers of the City of Nuremberg. The example on the right, while a larger size, and having been cleaned, with steps and more bricks in the wall, has lost its shield!  On the lid’s shield:  “Johann Friederich Burgraff von Nurnberg – 1610.” The shields put on these steins vary.

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[L] The same stein as just above – please compare with another version (on right) with completely different brick work above the knight, and the design of the platform below him. The one on the right has a date on the keystone.

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PIKES MEN BELOW:

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ARCHER  (CROSS-BOWS)

[L] Both bow and lance.  [R] Weapons are reversed and a different shield on the lid.

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BOOT / SHOE  MAKER,  BELOW:

Smaller, cheaper versions than the two below. The difference in the shoemaker himself is probably due to the date of manufacture, as they made these for quite some time. [L- TSACO]

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At first glance it appeases these are close to being identical, but on the right one there is a different spout, base rim and coat of arms.

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1.5L, 13.5 ht., Occupational Schuster (Shoemaker) [TSACO] – I think this is a very nice version and probably is not a Weygang piece

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BELOW:  “HERR. DAVID HARR,  – THE BARON VON MUTTSVILLE ”

[The real title is “”Arnold, Graf von Bentheim – Steinfurt – 1732 (and the 7 is crossed!)

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BAKER  BELOW:

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BREWER BELOW:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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BOAT MAKER BELOW:

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DETAIL

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CALLED A SOAP MAKER  – BY THE USA AUCTION HOUSE, BUT I’M NOT CERTAIN THAT’S CORRECT.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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BLACK-SMITHS BELOW

 

[L]   Neat copper awning, horse shoe and ball feet.      [R] A single black-smith.

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Two blacksmiths. Probably an early version,  say 1870’s . These bulbous steins are harder to find.

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[L] Key and lock maker (a blacksmith) [R] Another key maker, an “occupational server,”  but it has almost no niche.

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CARPENTER – WOOD CUTTER,  BELOW:

1.5L, 13.7 ht., Occupational Holzhacker (Wood Cutter) [TSACO]

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TAILOR,  BELOW

[L]- A smaller  and less busy version.

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BARREL MAKERS = VERY SCARCE – BELOW

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TAVERN / PUB  KEEPER  (NOT A BEER TAPPER AS CALLED  [TSACO],  BELOW

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A BASS PLAYER,  BELOW

This very scarce Weygang type server that was seen in a museum in Winchester Va., in 2010.

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AN UNDETERMINED  OCCUPATION

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ANIMAL SKINNER OR TAXIDERMIST (SUPER SCARCE)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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THE GRAPE PRESSER’S / WINE MAKERS

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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This rare one, sold at Ron Fox’s auction, 8-2010 for over $1000.00. I thought it would go for more!  It may not be  a Weygang piece, but  it does have a few similarities, If so it is an older one than usually found  

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All this BELOW really doesn’t fit with any category I have developed for Family Weygang beer stein info.

But this is a Weygang Roerken that was not shown in the book “ZINN NACH ALTEM VORBILD” [ZNAV.]   It is however very interesting to me, and perhaps the other pewter guys out there, so I just stuck it here at the end of page one. I do hope it makes sense.

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RÖRKEN MIT EMBLEMEN DER NAGELSCHMIEDE  =  “NAIL- SMITH”  (A NAIL MAKER= A SPECIALTY BLACK SMITH
Auf breitem Glockenfuß gravierter Hund, Hase, Hirsch und Frischling zwischen Laubbäumen. Auf dem röhrenförmigen, nach oben leicht geweiteten Mantel mit Profilringen gravierter Dekor: florale Bordüre, von Löwen und Lorbeerzweigen gerahmte, bekrönte Zunftzeichen, Jahreszahl ”1699” und Inschrift ”DIESES KÄNGEN HAT PETER KRÜGER AN DAS EHR- UND LÖBLIGE HANDWERCK DER NAGELSCHMIDE VEREHRET”. Deckelrand mit barocker Blumenbordüre dekoriert, auf Oberseite Reliefbildis von Kaiser Ferdinand mit Umschrift. Kugeliger Drücker. Auf geschweiftem, in einem Wappenschild endendem Bandhenkel Zinngießermarken. H. 21,5 cm
Öhringen, August Weygang, nach 1885
Katalogpreis: 150 – 200 €

THE REAL COST CALCULATIONS ONE MUST TAKE INTO ACCOUNT:

150Eu  AT THE DAY THIS WAS WRITTEN =   $202

[PLUS  ANY VALUE ADDED TAX (their version of a sales tax) = this doesn’t applies if item is shipped out of Germany- AND YOU REMIND THE AUCTION HOUSE!]

PLUS 26 % SALES COMMISSION = $202  [X] 1 .26  = $254.52

PLUS SHIPPING FROM GERMANY = A MINIMUM OF $25.00 (FOR A MEDIUM SIZED PEWTER STEIN)  [+] $254.52,  SO TOTAL =  $279.52!    

ROUNDED TO $300.00!….  FROM $202.

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[AWPD — SOK – 62 NO D]

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