Saxon Enameled “Wedding / Celebration” Steins, 1830 -1865, Photo Review – (AWPD)

 

A very nice example with its red ribbon scrool for the saying and a great wide base with ring. A decoration style seldom seen. This one could also go on my: “Not your average drinking vessel. I do wish some of these were mine” page.

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PLEASE NOTE:

I DO NOT DO VALUE ($$$’s) APPRAISALS! There are way too many variables: condition, location, time of year, present trends in stein collecting, local (and now national) economics; but most of all = prior expectations by the owner, are among the reasons!

I have for over a year now placed these short “notifications” at the bottom of each page! It is now obvious to me the general public never gets that far before wanting to ask me a question on beer stein dollar values. So I have had to move them forward as I am getting tired of copying them and sending them back to people as an answer to their “stein value” questions. This was meant to be an informational web site only.

NOR WILL I KNOWINGLY DO ASSESSMENTS for the future selling of steins on auction sites such as eBay, etc. Go to the web site for “Stein Collector’s International” and click on “Stein Talk,” someone there might help you. I just do not have the time! My web site was really started as an informational site for beginning beer stein collectors that would be looking for the info and not the general public. This site has its own search engine [top right on each page!] SO if one puts in “Wood Steins” or “Hand painted steins,” it will give one a list of all the pages that has that subject matter within it.

STILL WISH TO CONTACT ME ABOUT ANY INFORMATION ON THIS SITE?  EMAIL:  STEVE (STEPHEN)  = thevirginian@cox.net

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Saxon “wedding stein” – no date on the piece, but circa 1830-50. 

1  liter, 9.5  inches tall. This piece is very well preserved. [FWTD]  

Detail of how “undisturbed” gold lettering should look like.

Detail of how the painted flowers look from the outside inward.

Detail of a typical Saxon glass stein’s lid from the period 1830 -1850 showing a large “Urn” thumblift and a single ring of embellished pewter on the lid. This also shows the thick flattened handle which are much sturdier than those of the 1700′s, and it reduces in size at the base where it attaches to the body.
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These blown clear glass steins were made throughout Saxony and some surrounding areas from about 1830 through at least 1865. Each is decorated in bright enameled colors and for additional highlighting are also painted on the inside body as well as the outside. The inscription car touches range from scrolls, small and large circles and are done in various colors. Roses appear to be the dominant flower depicted, at least on the earlier ones.

While called “Wedding steins,” by most collectors this is not necessarily a true description, as they were also given as “friendship gifts” as well as a mementos for the newly married couples. In his catalogs the Munich stein auctioneer J. Vogt described one of these as a  Sachsischer Hochzeitskrug” or a “Saxon high celebration” stein. He also used the description  “Kindstaufenkrug” – meaning essentially “child’s birthday presentation stein” on one of his pictured Saxon steins.

So if we were to call these “Celebration steins”, I think that would be more than appropriate!

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One liter blown clear glass stein with a copper wheel engraved Royal Coat of Arms of Saxony. Circa 1830, and from Saxony.

This is a typical Saxon blown glass stein from the same time period as the enameled ones this page is written about. They came with a heavy and wide footed base and a very distinctive body style. Maybe two out of ten will be found with a pewter base cover ; most were made without a cover as the base is so thick. Usually with a large “Urn” type thumblift, and with a thicker, rounder applied handle than other glass steins made in mid to late 1700′s. It reduces in size at the base where it attaches to the body. [FWTD]

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Dated 1852. 10 inch tall. It is unusual to see this large “Urn” thumblift being used this late, but several example have been noted. The one  just below is dated 1858. It also may have been inscribed at a later date. [SA]

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Over the years I have heard these type steins also called “Alpiner” or “Tyrolian”  steins, which is very incorrect, as the Kingdom of Saxony was nowhere close to ‘The Alps’. They have also been called Beidermeier” steins which is more a reference to the time frame in which they were made and not the area.

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SAXONY (Central Germany) in 1800 – Map courtesy of ‘EURATIAS’, Copyright 2009.

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These all hand blown glass and hand decorated steins are much more appreciated in Germany than here in the USA. This example, dated 1858 (a late date for this type lid, perhaps this is a local attribute?) with lots of ”pink” roses; sold for $794.00 in September of 1998!

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ADDITIONAL PHOTOS OF SAXON GLASS “MARRIAGE” STEINS IN THE SMITH COLLECTION: “FROM WHICH TO DRINK.”

  

An enigma! While this small “urn” finial looks like it may be later than the larger ones = 1850′s, these are mostly seen on steins from the 1800-1815 period. But it also has a tiered lid indicating a later date. I’m going to go by the lid (as thumblift molds could be laying around for years) and my SWAG says it is circa 1855-65.

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This enameling job with the large yellow cartouche and the little orange flowers makes a nice combination. It also has the thick flattened handle which is much sturdier than those of the 1700′s (it reduces in width size at the base where it attaches to the body.) Large “Urn” thumblift.   [FWTD]

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Another with the pewter base rim. It is hard to read the gold leaf inscription on that dark yellow background. Circa 1830.

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A close up of the” lid to handle” attachments, and the photo shows the width of the handles at the strap; then expanding, but turning narrower at the bottom. 

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What I feel is an interesting variant, made so by the lid with the finial also acting as the thumblift. There is a lot of nice small pewter work around the lid. This also has a pewter base rim which is slightly less than common on these steins. Dated April 1842. There was never a thumblift on this piece, the finial served that purpose, as it did on steins in the 1600′s.

Lots of bright colors covering the body. See the stein shown two below, where the surface painting is only about 70% of this one. [FWTD]

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Another with a cross between the smaller lids but with the “Urn” thumblift. Also look at the bottom rim. (I think this pewter rim might have been replaced.)   [tsaco] 

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The use of this type thumblift and the flat lid (original cost was less) indicates this was made after1850, and in fact it is dated 1864. It still has the typical  thick flatten handle.[FWTD]

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The base on this glass stein is not as wide as usually found, The “tiered” pewter lid is of a different style and the Urn” is not as defined. This also has a much more round handle than the others. Either a maker not in Saxony directly, or much later version, say 1855-65  (TBD.) Not dated. [FWTD]

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Just another nice example taken off German eBay in 2008. It might have ended up in  “FWTD” had the seller taken PayPal.

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And if I had had the money, I might have bought this “jewel” (looks like it is almost right off the shelf) back in 2009 for over $605.00! [tsaco]

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!- AA SA'S SAXON STEIN cA. 1850  ASKING $295   7-2013

Above ▲  is another second cousin stein – The large wrap around pewter base indicates to me a non Saxon maker. The kissing doves thumblift is more of a Bohemian touch and indicates the dates would be about 1840- 1860′s

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This shows another closely related (third cousin?) stein to the Saxons. This one is  German / Bohemian, engraved and not painted, but also a wedding / loving memorial. Circa 1800- 1840.

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Another type of “wedding stein” also done in “cold paint”, but with no inside painting.  Circa 1840. [SA]

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A” second cousin” to the Saxon glass steins are these Bohemian milk glass steins – painting of course is only on one side. Circa 1830
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Circa 1840 and from another part of Germany, not Saxon but very much along the same line.  The saying is a simple “In Memory” therefore this one could be a wedding stein but I would think maybe something else. Orange glass steins are the hardest color to find.

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A later day version, painted on the outside only. Circa 1850 -186o’s . Nice looking  but no where near as nice as the older ones.

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Wedding type steins had digressed to this point by the early 1900′s . A shame say I.

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For more info on “death memorial” steins please go to: “Memorial Steins” … @: http://www.steveonsteins.com/beer-stein-dictionary-1-3-1-2-1-2-1-4

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!- AA SA'S SAXON STEIN cA. 1850  ASKING $295   7-2013