Reservist’s (Regimental) reproduction beer steins. How to tell. [3] Supplemental info.

 ALL FIVE FAKE  – ‘NEW ‘RESERVISTS BEING SOLD AT AUCTION IN APRIL -2012

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PLEASE NOTE:

I DO NOT DO VALUE ($$$’s) APPRAISALS! There are way too many variables: condition, location, time of year, present trends in stein collecting, local (and now national) economics; but most of all = prior expectations by the owner, are among the reasons!

I have for over a year now placed these short “notifications” at the bottom of each page! It is now obvious to me the general public never gets that far before wanting to ask me a question on beer stein dollar values. So I have had to move them forward as I am getting tired of copying them and sending them back to people as an answer to their “stein value” questions. This was meant to be an informational web site only.

NOR WILL I KNOWINGLY DO ASSESSMENTS for the future selling of steins on auction sites such as eBay, etc. Go to the web site for “Stein Collector’s International” and click on “Stein Talk,” someone there might help you. I just do not have the time! My web site was really started as an informational site for beginning beer stein collectors that would be looking for the info and not the general public. This site has its own search engine [top right on each page!] SO if one puts in “Wood Steins” or “Hand painted steins,” it will give one a list of all the pages that has that subject matter within it.

STILL WISH TO CONTACT ME ABOUT ANY INFORMATION ON THIS SITE?  EMAIL:  STEVE (STEPHEN)  = thevirginian@cox.net

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Okay my fellow collectors, the regimental stein reproducers are getting better!

Two steins were recently bought by friends of mine on Ebay. They looked like the real thing in the photos, but both turned out to be brand new copies! The stein maker’s are now using some sort of photographic reproduction to equal the hand paintings that were applied to the originals, i.e., the filling in of the name, unit designation, city and last parts of the dates of service.

Below: I have shown the photos of the stein bodies of the [now] four we know of so far and I am certain there are more to follow. The only 100% positive ways of telling these through eBay / web site photos is to see if both the top and the inside of the lid are very dark (chemically aged) – the use of the lithophane below which is similar to, but different than the originals! And a new design for the front of the cast pewter lids – please see the photos far below.

NEW REPRO NO 1.

Above: A Wurttemberg infantry name to a Tambour (drummer), and it comes with a copy  of the Ulm Wren thumblift –which was never done “on a reproduction” before.

Detail of the Ulm Sparrow / Wren  - notice how it is leaning backwards from the lid

The lithophane on the repro stein above  Very similar to the original and prior repros, except the soldier’s legs are really bow-legged.

The lithophane in the “old “repros.

The lithophane from an original Saxon Uhlan stein.

The lithophane from an original 83rd Infantry stein.

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NEW REPRO NO 2.

Above: The body scenes of a new Bavarian Field Artillery (howitzer) stein, comes with a “Kaiser’s prize (shooting prize) under the handle, not shown, but see  notes about this later on. Almost the same lithophane (a bow-legged soldier and woman has her hand to her head!) It is usually seen with a “limp cannon” and the thumblift is leaning toward the rear and not erect either .

The “limp cannon” will look a bit like this.

It will not stay pointed up!  No aged male  comments please !

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NEW REPRO NO 3.

Above: The third one was spotted in 4-2008 = For a 16TH BAVARIAN INFANTRY REGT, 9 COMP, 1909 /1911, Named to: “JOSEF (JOFEF?) NANADER.” Lion and standing soldier finial, King Ludwig of Bavaria as the lithophane(as in originals.) Also four side scenes with 3 royalty portraits in the center. It has a hole in the thumblift where the  ”Stanhope” would have been on an original, a great faked technique.

The lids are all the same on the “Brand New” repros. They have very indistinct figures and words in the lid’s relief. Compare to an original just below:

Above: An original lid with crisp lettering and detail. ______________________________________________________________________________

After the first of this subject was published in Prosit a couple of years back, I received the following email from a fellow stein collector and friend:

“Hi Steve, The Bavarian 5th Field Artillery copy is going to fool more than a few people. I have seen 4 of them for sale on eBay over the past several months and there is one on eBay now. At least the seller of this one clearly states the stein is a copy.

In addition to the points raised in your article there is another small detail the faker got wrong on these Bavarian artillery copies. The Kaiser’s prize on the stein is a “Prussian” style Kaiser’s prize with a straight sided crown. A Bavarian King’s prize should have a rounded crown. It is a subtle difference but one that further helps to identify the stein as a reproduction.” Ed Owen

(Many thanks go out to Ed for this fine point!)

The wrong crown is on this Bavarian shooting contest emblem, which is on the artillery reproduction shown above.

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NEW REPRO NO 4.

April 2011 – another one just spotted. It was listed for sale on eBay for  $699.00  It sold for $300. With that big a drop in price, the buyer should have suspected something!

Repro:  23rd Bavarian Infantry – Named to a “Sanitats  Soldier”, which means “Medic,” yet none of the scenes shown any Medic activity.

Same wrong lid, as others above.

[L] Repro: A not very well done / defined  copy of ”The Wounded Comrade” finial. [R] ORIGINAL  – all the pewter seams have been finished off = helmet, pants; the  rifle is not bent, and one can make out detail of the injured soldier’s  face.

The lion and shield thumblift is correct and is now placed upright rather than leasning to the rear as on earlier models, BUT it is really rough and not finished 100%.

Because it is a modern photo copy of an original photo, the photo of the officer in the middle of the body appears to be almost washed out.

“The kicker”: A horrible rendition of King Ludwig of Bavaria as the lithophane.


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This glass reservist’s stein just showed up on the scene a few months back at a major USA astein uction house.  I haven’t looked it it in person BUT [1] No other one has been seen in 41 years, [2] the pewter (all of it ) shows no oxidation. The handle style looks too modern [4] the colors on the decal are not as bright as the older ones. I would have to look at it, real close up,  ut I am certainly now going to pay $1300.00 plus for the privilege to do so.

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SEE PAGE 2 FOR PHOTOS OF SELECTED REPRODUCTIONS.

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Have any questions on your “regimental” stein (or any type stein)? Best thing to do ?  Just email me, STEPHEN: thevirginian@cox.net

Please note: I DO NOT DO VALUE ($$$’s) APPRAISALS!  There are way too many variables: condition, location, time of year, present trends in stein collecting, local economics; but most of all = prior expectations by the owner, are amongst the reasons!

NOR WILL I KNOWINGLY DO ASSESSMENTS for the future selling of steins on auction sites such as eBay, etc. Go to the web site for “Stein Collector’s International” and click on “Stein Talk”,  someone there might help you.

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